Written by Luis Proyect and first published at Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
This is a
report on debates within ecosocialism about the feasibility of a Green New Deal (GND) and other growth oriented perspectives that I obviously can’t pretend to be
neutral about.
As should be obvious from the articles I cite, there is a growing polarity between those who advocate policies identified with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and those who are far more pessimistic about the possibility of resolving the environmental crisis even within the context of a “democratic socialist” framework.
As should be obvious from the articles I cite, there is a growing polarity between those who advocate policies identified with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and those who are far more pessimistic about the possibility of resolving the environmental crisis even within the context of a “democratic socialist” framework.
JASPER BERNES
Recently
Commune Magazine published an article titled “Between the Devil and the Green New Deal” by its managing editor Jasper Bernes that begins by identifying the
“rare metals” that would be essential to the manufacturing of “alternative
energy” generators that are critical to the Green New Deal. A mine in Inner
Mongolia, China is the primary source of such ore that has contaminating the
surrounding area. Bernes refers to “death villages” surrounding the mine that
display “Chernobylesque” cancer rates.
Over on Facebook,
Leigh Phillips, the Jacobin contributor who believes that the Green New Deal
should include nuclear power, took exception to Bernes’s article, claiming that
it “exaggerated” the environmental costs. When I asked him for a citation to
back that up, he cited an article by a couple of Chinese scientists who
concluded that there was only “a moderate potential ecological risk”.
However,
if you read their article, it only mentions soil samples and not the lake close
to the mine that is clogged with toxic waste. Furthermore, it is focused on the
presence of heavy metals in the soil near the mine when the bigger problem is
the by-products of refining ore that uses huge amounts of carcinogenic
chemicals.
Citing Vaclav
Smil, Bernes states that replacing current US energy consumption with
renewables would require at least 25-50 percent of the US landmass being
devoted to solar, wind, and biofuels. Considering the encroachments on land by
ranchers, farmers, timber companies, home developers, et al, it appears that
capitalist growth—even made kosher by renewables—will hit a brick wall before
long.
At the heart
of the Green New Deal, there is a Sisyphean contradiction:
The problem
is that growth and emissions are, by almost every measure, profoundly
correlated. The Green New Deal thus risks becoming a sort of Sisyphean reform,
rolling the rock of emissions reductions up the hill each day only to have a
growing, energy-hungry economy knock it back down to the bottom each night.
My only
quibble with Bernes’s article is the amalgam it makes between the Green New
Deal and Leon Trotsky’s transitional demands:
Many
socialists will recognize that mitigation of climate change within a system of
production for profit is impossible, but they think a project like the Green
New Deal is what Leon Trotsky called a “transitional program,” hinged upon a
“transitional demand.” Unlike the minimal demand, which capitalism can easily
meet, and the maximal demand which it clearly can’t, the transitional demand is
something that capitalism could potentially meet if it were a rational and
humane system, but in actuality can’t.
I wish that
he had named the socialists that think the GND is something like a transitional
demand. I suppose he is referring to an article by the anarchist Wayne Price
whose critique of the Marxist Richard Smith’s article in defense of a Green New
Deal hinges on its impossibility of being realized under capitalism. Since
Smith doesn’t mention Trotsky in his article, it makes Bernes’s claim
questionable.
Between Bernes, Wayne Price and Richard Smith, the connection to
Trotsky sounds like something that might have sprung from Telephone, the
children’s game. In my view, Smith is a bit of an outlier on the GND. Most of
its advocates are pretty settled on it being a policy not much different than
those that have largely been accomplished in Western Europe and even in China,
if you believe Dean Baker.
Without using
the term “de-growth”, Bernes’s conclusion certainly is consistent with what
Jason Hickel and others have written. I find it to be eminently reasonable:
We cannot
keep things the same and change everything. We need a revolution, a break with
capital and its killing compulsions, though what that looks like in the
twenty-first century is very much an open question.
A revolution that had as its aim the flourishing of all human life would certainly mean immediate decarbonization, a rapid decrease in energy use for those in the industrialized global north, no more cement, very little steel, almost no air travel, walkable human settlements, passive heating and cooling, a total transformation of agriculture, and a diminishment of animal pasture by an order of magnitude at least.
A revolution that had as its aim the flourishing of all human life would certainly mean immediate decarbonization, a rapid decrease in energy use for those in the industrialized global north, no more cement, very little steel, almost no air travel, walkable human settlements, passive heating and cooling, a total transformation of agriculture, and a diminishment of animal pasture by an order of magnitude at least.
THEA RIOFRANCOS
Thea
Riofrancos, who co-authored an article for Jacobin titled “The Green New Deal’s Five Freedoms”, responded to Bernes in a “comradely” fashion on Facebook.
(Since some of my readers are not on Facebook, I include her entire reply at the
bottom of this post.)
Riofrancos
does not get into the details of rare earth mining but does mention that she
has “spent the past three months in Chile researching lithium.” I, for one, am
looking forward to her insights from this excursion but in the meantime still
wonder whether a trip to Chile would provide any overarching answer to the problem
of the environmental costs of extracting the ore.
She also is
not bothered by a Rorschach-like character that some might impute to the GND:
The central
ambivalence running through the essay is whether the Green New Deal is too
radical to be implemented (given the exigencies of capitalist growth, capital’s
capture of our political system, and the balance of class forces) or, on the
contrary, it is not radical enough, a mere ornamental reform that allows pretty
much all of the aforementioned to continue uninterrupted.
On the one hand, the
Green New Deal “leaves growth intact”; on the other hand, in order to achieve
the economy-wide decarbonization it proposes, it would elicit a ruthless
response of the ruling class (“you should expect the owners of that wealth to
fight you with everything they have, which is more or less everything”).
But is the Green New Deal win-win green growth or all-out class warfare? Is it too reformist to meet the scale of the climate catastrophe or too radical to be thinkable let alone realizable in the current conjuncture?
But is the Green New Deal win-win green growth or all-out class warfare? Is it too reformist to meet the scale of the climate catastrophe or too radical to be thinkable let alone realizable in the current conjuncture?
This is a
question for Bernes to answer but I would only venture my own. The GND is akin
to the projection of a Swedish-style social democracy in the USA that the
DSA/Jacobin milieu advocates. It is both not radical enough and too radical to
achieve in the USA.
In 2017, the Guardian reported that almost 90% of new power in Europe came from renewable sources in the previous year. This is happening because these nations have operated on a social democratic basis for decades and have powerful trade union movements.
In 2017, the Guardian reported that almost 90% of new power in Europe came from renewable sources in the previous year. This is happening because these nations have operated on a social democratic basis for decades and have powerful trade union movements.
However, all of them are dependent on
imperialist extraction of natural resources from Africa, Asia and Latin America
that make such a relatively progressive system to function. If China had
imposed the same kinds of regulations on mining that are typical of Sweden, for
example, the transition to alternative energy might have been too costly. We are
talking about capitalism, after all.
Even if the
Western European GND standards were adopted by a majority of politicians in the
USA, there would be overwhelming forces opposed to their adoption by energy,
transportation, petrochemical, and banking interests. In fact, the same array
of reactionary forces would block the evolution of the USA into a Swedish-style
social democracy.
Unlike Western Europe, the USA is an imperialist hegemon that would resist all attempts at a New Deal of any sort, either Green or FDR-redux. Those are the realities we are dealing with and the naïve hopes of the DSA/Jacobin left will crash up against them on day one of a Bernie Sanders presidency. And those who hope in neo-Kautskyist fashion that this will precipitate a general strike and other revolutionary measures are just kidding themselves.
Unlike Western Europe, the USA is an imperialist hegemon that would resist all attempts at a New Deal of any sort, either Green or FDR-redux. Those are the realities we are dealing with and the naïve hopes of the DSA/Jacobin left will crash up against them on day one of a Bernie Sanders presidency. And those who hope in neo-Kautskyist fashion that this will precipitate a general strike and other revolutionary measures are just kidding themselves.
MATT HUBER
In the DSA
magazine for Winter 2019, Huber’s article “Ecosocialism: Dystopian and Scientific” took aim at the “de-growth” current within the ecosocialist
movement that he described as a dire threat “to scare us into action.”
Our dystopian
future is seen as a product of industrial civilization. For many ecosocialists
or left green thinkers, the science is so dire the only option is a wholesale
rejection of industrialism
This, I would argue, leads to some fanciful (even utopian) ideas of what comes next. Degrowth theorists imagine a “decentralized” future society, “where resources were managed by bio-region—a participatory, low-tech, low-consumption economy, where everyone has to do some farming…” Richard Smith argues for a socialist program of “managed deindustrialization” without fully explaining what that would actually mean.
This, I would argue, leads to some fanciful (even utopian) ideas of what comes next. Degrowth theorists imagine a “decentralized” future society, “where resources were managed by bio-region—a participatory, low-tech, low-consumption economy, where everyone has to do some farming…” Richard Smith argues for a socialist program of “managed deindustrialization” without fully explaining what that would actually mean.
Last year in the New Left Review (NLR), Troy Vettese argued for austerity
(or what he called “egalitarian eco-austerity”): the program includes energy
rationing, compulsory veganism and turning over half the planet to wild nature
(a proposal he takes from reactionary sociobiologist, E.O. Wilson).
The Richard
Smith mention above is, of course, the same Richard Smith that was described
above as a crypto-Trotskyist. As for what he means by “managed
deindustrialization”, I found his explanation fairly clear (it is too bad that
Huber does not provide a link to what Smith wrote. It is something like this:
Take just one:
Cruise ships are the fastest growing sector of mass tourism on the planet. But
they are by far the most polluting tourist indulgence ever invented: Large
ships can burn more than 150 tons of the filthiest diesel bunker fuel per day,
spewing out more fumes—and far more toxic fumes—than 5 million cars, polluting
entire regions, the whole of southern Europe – and all this to ferry a few
thousand boozy passengers about bashing coral reefs. There is just no way this
industry can be made sustainable.
Oh, don’t let
me forget. Here’s the first cruise ship to be shut down after a socialist
revolution:
As for Troy
Vettese, his article is not behind a paywall at NLR and I urge you to read it.
His take on E.O. Wilson does not provoke the same reaction in me that it does
in Huber:
The principal
cause of extinction is habitat loss, as underlined by the recent work of E. O.
Wilson. Though notorious in the Reagan era as the genetic-determinist author of
Socio-biology, Wilson is first and foremost a naturalist and conservationist. He
estimates that, with a decrease of habitat, the sustainable number of species
in it drops by roughly the fourth root of the habitable area. If half the
habitat is lost, approximately a tenth of species will disappear, but if 85 per
cent is destroyed, then half the species would be extinguished.
Humanity is
closely tracking this equation’s deadly curve: half of all species are expected
to disappear by 2100. The only way to prevent this is to leave enough land for
other living beings to flourish, which has led Wilson to call for a utopian
programme of creating a ‘half Earth’, where 50 per cent of the world would be
left as nature’s domain.
Even though much has been lost, he argues that thirty especially rich biomes, ranging from the Brazilian cerrado to the Polish-Belarussian Białowieża Forest, could provide the core of a biodiverse, interconnected mosaic extending over half the globe. Yet, at present only 15 per cent of the world’s land-area has some measure of legal protection, while the fraction of protected areas in the oceans is even smaller—less than 4 per cent.
Even though much has been lost, he argues that thirty especially rich biomes, ranging from the Brazilian cerrado to the Polish-Belarussian Białowieża Forest, could provide the core of a biodiverse, interconnected mosaic extending over half the globe. Yet, at present only 15 per cent of the world’s land-area has some measure of legal protection, while the fraction of protected areas in the oceans is even smaller—less than 4 per cent.
I happen to
hate socio-biology but this has nothing to do with it. Instead, it is an urgent
call to action against a looming extinction of wildlife that implicitly
threatens us as well. After all, the incursion of mining and ranching companies
into the Amazon rainforest will hasten climate change as well as destroy
thousands of animals that are native to the region.
There’s not
much else to say about Huber’s article except that it reads like Living Marxism
circa 1985. He believes that nuclear power can be a part of the GND, just like
Leigh Phillips who he quotes favorably: “Let’s take over the machine, not turn
it off!” As if such a technocratic formula has anything to do with socialism.
Worst of all, he has a poor understanding of what John Bellamy Foster has
referred to as “the metabolic rift”:
Today,
virtually every “input” into industrialized agriculture is one that saves
labor. Tractors plow and plant and chemicals do the “work” of weeding, killing
bugs, and fertilizing the soil.
GIORGIO KALLIS
Although
Huber does not mention de-growth advocates Jason Hickel and Giorgios Kallis,
who have written an important article titled “Is Green Growth Possible?”,
Kallis took the trouble of answering him on the Uneven Earth website.
Kallis, like
Bernes, has an entirely different notion of a feasible socialism than the
Swedish-style socialism that has seduced so many of the Jacobin intellectuals.
At the extreme pole, you have someone like Leigh Phillips writing a book about
Walmart that makes the case that its mastery of information technology can help
us achieve a growth-oriented socialism of the future.
It is not computer control of inventory, however, that accounts for its success. It is it control, both automated and by threat of firing, that accounts for its vast economic empire.
It is not computer control of inventory, however, that accounts for its success. It is it control, both automated and by threat of firing, that accounts for its vast economic empire.
For Kallis,
the vision of a more carefree and human world is what socialists should help
spread:
I live in
Barcelona, and our mayor Ada Colau won the municipal elections with the support
of a substantial fraction of the working class. Her program emphasized dignity
and equality, not growth and material affluence.
Colau wanted to stop evictions and secure decent housing for everyone, she did not have to promise air-conditions and cheap charter flights for all (I am not saying that Huber advocates these, but Leigh Phillips, a provocateur who Huber for some reason enthusiastically cites twice, does).
Colau wanted to stop evictions and secure decent housing for everyone, she did not have to promise air-conditions and cheap charter flights for all (I am not saying that Huber advocates these, but Leigh Phillips, a provocateur who Huber for some reason enthusiastically cites twice, does).
Third, Huber
implicitly assumes that what workers want is fixed, and that desires cannot be
shaped through reflection and dialogue. This leaves no space for new ideas or
new desires and makes one wonder, how is it that workers come to want what they
want, and how does this ever change in time? If we follow Huber’s logic then we
can only cater to what exists, never shape the possible – this to me seems a
quite restricted view of the political.
Let me
conclude with a few words about the possible outcome of this debate in the
future as economic reality will bring things to a head. In my view, there is an
element of truth in Huber’s claim that workers will resist a ceiling on
consumption. After all, with television ads 20 times an hour urging you to buy
a car or a trip on Norwegian Cruise ship, it becomes a form of brainwashing.
I
suspect that a combination of ecological ruin, war, and deepening alienation of
the kind that has produced an opioid crisis will eventually turn quantity into
quality. Human beings are susceptible to baser temptations that an advanced
capitalist economy can produce but the promise of a more peaceful life that
offers leisure time and spiritual fulfillment will convince workers that giving
up 5,000 square foot homes, SUV’s and meat every night of the week is worth it.
A Peaceable Kingdom, so to speak.
Tia
Riofrancos’s Facebook post:
A comradely
critique of Jasper Bernes‘ “Between the Devil and the Green New Deal” in
Commune Magazine.
First, let me start with where I agree with Jasper, beginning with the politically parochial and ascending to the systemic and global scales. First, “legislation,” narrowly conceived, is, on its own, insufficient as a response to the climate crisis. So is a “transition” that replaces hydrocarbons with low to zero carbon energy, without touching how much energy is used, what it is used for, and who controls the energy system.
Second, the root causes of climate crisis can’t also be the solution to climate crisis. As I’ve written elsewhere, these causes are “profit-seeking, competition, endless growth, exploitation of humans and nature, and imperial expansion.”
Third, and relatedly, the already occurring
energy transition, unfolding under the logics of green capitalism and the
enormous “clean tech” industry, reproduces and expands the extractive frontiers
of capitalism. Carbon accounting that begins and ends at the electricity grid,
or at the point of final consumption, is an ideological mode of profound
mystification, a fetish akin to that of the commodity form. For precisely this
reason, I’ve spent the past three months in Chile researching lithium.
It is from
these broadly shared points of departure that our analyses of the political
terrain–its contours, stakes, opportunities and limits–diverge quite sharply.
1/ Too
Radical or Not Radical Enough?
The central
ambivalence running through the essay is whether the Green New Deal is too
radical to be implemented (given the exigencies of capitalist growth, capital’s
capture of our political system, and the balance of class forces) or, on the
contrary, it is not radical enough, a mere ornamental reform that allows pretty
much all of the aforementioned to continue uninterrupted.
On the one hand, the
Green New Deal “leaves growth intact”; on the other hand, in order to achieve
the economy-wide decarbonization it proposes, it would elicit a ruthless
response of the ruling class (“you should expect the owners of that wealth to
fight you with everything they have, which is more or less everything”).
But is the Green New Deal win-win green growth or all-out class warfare? Is it too reformist to meet the scale of the climate catastrophe or too radical to be thinkable let alone realizable in the current conjuncture?
But is the Green New Deal win-win green growth or all-out class warfare? Is it too reformist to meet the scale of the climate catastrophe or too radical to be thinkable let alone realizable in the current conjuncture?
Now, one
could of course argue, as I think Jasper does, that this ambivalence inheres
not in his critique of the Green New Deal, but in the policy vision itself, a
vision that contains something for everyone, a mirror in which both the
anti-capitalist and the venture capitalist can see their own desired future
reflected.
Jasper seems to argue that this form-shifting quality is the unique cunning of the Green New Deal, its ability to seduce us into (cruel) optimism. But I would argue that it is precisely this indeterminacy that provides a historic opening for the left.
Jasper seems to argue that this form-shifting quality is the unique cunning of the Green New Deal, its ability to seduce us into (cruel) optimism. But I would argue that it is precisely this indeterminacy that provides a historic opening for the left.
Perhaps inadvertently, Jasper alludes to this
potential: as he writes, for supporters of the Green New Deal, “its value is
primarily rhetorical; it’s about shifting the discussion, gathering political
will, and underscoring the urgency of the climate crisis.
It’s more big mood more than grand plan.” I’ll have a bit more to say on the contrast between a “mood” and a “plan” below, but for now I want to pause and reiterate: “shifting the discussion, gathering political will, and underscoring the urgency of the climate crisis.”
It’s more big mood more than grand plan.” I’ll have a bit more to say on the contrast between a “mood” and a “plan” below, but for now I want to pause and reiterate: “shifting the discussion, gathering political will, and underscoring the urgency of the climate crisis.”
If, through the vehicle of the amorphous Green New Deal, left
forces might achieve these three tasks, that strikes me as an exceedingly
important development; not an end in and of itself, of course, but it’s unclear
to me how a pathway to radical transformation wouldn’t pass through these three
crucial tests of political capacity.
2/ Vagueness
and Deception
In keeping
with the charge of ambivalence is the charge of vagueness (“The Green New Deal
proposes to decarbonize most of the economy in ten years—great, but no one is
talking about how.”). This is, on the face of it, not true. From green
capitalist policy wonks to agroecology enthusiasts to proponents of public
banking, there is, in fact, currently an effloresce of proposals for how to
decarbonize the economy.
I have never had so many conversations about the architecture of our electric grids, the relative contribution of distinct sectors to overall emissions, or the dilemmas of carbon taxes as I have had in the past few months.
I have never had so many conversations about the architecture of our electric grids, the relative contribution of distinct sectors to overall emissions, or the dilemmas of carbon taxes as I have had in the past few months.
This is not to suggest that these myriad proposals will
get the job done, nor to downplay the sharp contrasts between a proposal to
expropriate the fossil fuel industry and a carbon price based on a high
discount rate, but rather that (1) many people are, in fact, talking about how
to decarbonize and, (2) the battle over these distinct pathways will emerge as
a key political, and class, conflict of our moment.
Jasper’s
charge of vagueness, however, soon slides into a more serious accusation:
deception. Socialists, like myself, that mobilize around the Green New Deal
know full well that “the mitigation of climate change within a system of
production and profit is impossible, but they think a project like the Green
New Deal is what Leon Trotsky called a ‘transitional program,’ hinged upon a
‘transitional demand.’”
For such socialists, Jasper argues, it is precisely the
combination of technological feasibility and systemic impossibility that makes
the Green New Deal a radicalizing demand: if capitalism could, but won’t, save
humanity and the planet, then the masses will rise up against the true obstacle
to progress.
Not only is this strategy fundamentally patronizing and deceptive, as he points out, but it is self-defeating:
“the transitional demand encourages you to build institutions and organizations around one set of goals” and then convert them to another. In this case, organizations designed to “[solve] climate change within capitalism” and, when that fails, are expected to “expropriate the capitalist class and reorganize the state along socialist lines.” Institutions, however, “are tremendously inertial structures” — once designed for one purpose, they can’t be transformed.
This strikes me as a very odd statement. In the social sciences, “path dependency” is more or less the mantra of mainstream institutional theory. A historically-grounded, critical view of institutions sees them always as live, provisional, crystallizations or resolutions to class conflict, in need of ongoing reproduction and legitimation.
They are the social arrangements through which violent domination is transmogrified into hegemony. This is a lesson the right knows very well, displayed in its maneuvers into every nook and cranny of institutional life; it would behoove the left to learn it, too.
Not only is this strategy fundamentally patronizing and deceptive, as he points out, but it is self-defeating:
“the transitional demand encourages you to build institutions and organizations around one set of goals” and then convert them to another. In this case, organizations designed to “[solve] climate change within capitalism” and, when that fails, are expected to “expropriate the capitalist class and reorganize the state along socialist lines.” Institutions, however, “are tremendously inertial structures” — once designed for one purpose, they can’t be transformed.
This strikes me as a very odd statement. In the social sciences, “path dependency” is more or less the mantra of mainstream institutional theory. A historically-grounded, critical view of institutions sees them always as live, provisional, crystallizations or resolutions to class conflict, in need of ongoing reproduction and legitimation.
They are the social arrangements through which violent domination is transmogrified into hegemony. This is a lesson the right knows very well, displayed in its maneuvers into every nook and cranny of institutional life; it would behoove the left to learn it, too.
3/ This
World, But Better
It turns out,
however, that advocates of the Green New Deal are not just deceptive but
themselves duped. In their fever dreams of rosy futures, “The world of the
Green New Deal is this world but better—this world but with zero emissions,
universal health care, and free college.”
For these green dreamers, reality will be a rude awakening: “The appeal is obvious but the combination impossible. We can’t remain in this world.” Nothing short of “completely reorganiz[ing] society” will do the trick.
For these green dreamers, reality will be a rude awakening: “The appeal is obvious but the combination impossible. We can’t remain in this world.” Nothing short of “completely reorganiz[ing] society” will do the trick.
It’s not only
the green new dealers who have dreams. Jasper too conjures “an emancipated
society, in which no one can force another into work for reasons of property,
could offer joy, meaning, freedom, satisfaction, and even a sort of abundance.”
I have to be honest, this sounded pretty familiar; it is quite close to my own radical horizon. Okay — how do we get there? For Jasper, “We need a revolution.” But seriousness swiftly returns: “a revolution is not on the horizon.”
I have to be honest, this sounded pretty familiar; it is quite close to my own radical horizon. Okay — how do we get there? For Jasper, “We need a revolution.” But seriousness swiftly returns: “a revolution is not on the horizon.”
This sober appraisal accords with the overall tone of the essay. He
is merely stating the facts; telling the truth instead of lying (“Let’s instead
say what we know to be true”; “But let’s not lie to each other”). These
exhortations figure the author as above the fray, cool, and objective and his
targets as confused, deceptive, duped, and, to return to the aforementioned
quote, seduced by the Big Mood of the green dream.
But isn’t the “ambient despair” that Jasper describes as the inevitable affective register of his reality check a mood, too?
But isn’t the “ambient despair” that Jasper describes as the inevitable affective register of his reality check a mood, too?
What nascent coalitions might weave solidarities across the
dispersed supply chains of the energy transition? What financial crises might
be on the horizon? What fractions of capital ascendent or descendent? Where are
the cracks in hegemony?
We are living in a moment of profound turbulence; predicting or foreclosing the future seems less analytically rigorous than actively intervening to shape it. Ruling out the possibility by fiat is avowedly realist but functionally conservative.
We are living in a moment of profound turbulence; predicting or foreclosing the future seems less analytically rigorous than actively intervening to shape it. Ruling out the possibility by fiat is avowedly realist but functionally conservative.
WOW, now how about some reality check !.
ReplyDelete"How the new world is born out of the old is of course the vexed question of any project of radical transformation".
The Environment and Climate Change gives you NO choice if you/we want to survive.
The cost=live or die, our choice, the planet will possibly regenerate when we are gone.
SO, what do we need to live:- Clean Air, Clean Water, Clean Food and Shelter.
Can we barter a bit, some dirty/poor air, dirty/poor water, dirty/poor food, basic shelter.
Whats the difference in cost to these items, can we have some basic public transport ?.
What are folk willing to give up or forced to give up.
Cleaner Air ?, OK electric cars, what powers them, Lithium batteries, Capacitor Cells, Hydrogen Cells ?.
Not enough Lithium for everyone, hard to recycle !.
Hydrogen, needs Electricity to generate, where from, how ?.
Clean Water, First stop Fracking through aquifiers and poisoning water. Stop pollution with Oil & Gas drilling and flaring ( Air Pollution ), stop putting so many chemicals, plastic and rubbish into the lakes/seas.
Clean Food, OK we have a problem with all the above items as we dont have enough water !!!.
Shelter, lets not bother, we have enough problems and we have to get those we have put/allowed in charge to screw everyone.
We have a very big problem as the reality of Climate Change is happening NOW.
The Polar caps are melting many of the Islands will be under water with many refugees and Easter Island that we blew up with those nice big bombs is now releasing its nuclear waste into the seas. Oh is this just a dream or a nightmare ?. We need to talk.