tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post7852990835618003438..comments2023-08-31T15:14:58.287-07:00Comments on London Green Left Blog: Should the Greens join a ‘Progressive Alliance’ at the next General Election?Mike Shaughnessyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-34354232055533052142016-05-23T06:21:50.685-07:002016-05-23T06:21:50.685-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137696229095025688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-1465946613468503902016-05-22T05:58:58.696-07:002016-05-22T05:58:58.696-07:00It seems to me that the key issue here is this: wh...It seems to me that the key issue here is this: what are we trying to achieve? And the answer for me in the short term is: proportional representation. If all the parties other than the Tories (and don't forget that UKIP are also in favour of PR) agree to join to form a government if together they can prevent the Tories doing so solely for the purpose of introducing PR and calling another election (and this isn't as simple as it sounds), I can see some track in this. However, it does require the general public to 'get' PR; it does require all the parties in favour of PR to agree on which system they would propose and unite behind; and it does require all of us to trust each other not to compete against each other in critical seats. Given Labour's track record of trying to trash the Green Party in Brighton, I'm afraid I'd take a lot of convincing that I could trust them - even with Corbyn as leader (and please note: I deliberately didn't say 'in charge'). Let us approach this with great care. What we don't want is a situation where essentially Labour uses us for the purpose of winning an election under PR and then continuing with their 'growth, growth, growth' mantra and thereby continuing to trash the planet the way they and the Tories have done for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-85246606636426166092016-05-21T04:10:47.078-07:002016-05-21T04:10:47.078-07:00Thanks for engaging - and just for accuracy - Comp...Thanks for engaging - and just for accuracy - Compass was a Labour faction but then we changed our membership to involve anyone who wants a good society - we have Greens, Lib Dens , Plaid and SNP on our board and are way better as a consequence. Any my definition of progressive is something about shifting the balance of forces to favour people and the planet over capital. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00729962403399567349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-49279547206852813872016-05-20T11:37:12.304-07:002016-05-20T11:37:12.304-07:00A good example in creating a compelling and persua...A good example in creating a compelling and persuasive narrative and using this with 'technology' for optimum engagement. I will have to read about this lurch to the right, the last I read they had formed an alliance with united left Martin O'Beirnehttp://martinobeirne.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-40552635897877778912016-05-20T11:24:32.685-07:002016-05-20T11:24:32.685-07:00I'm not so sure Podemos are a great example, t...I'm not so sure Podemos are a great example, their leadership has been tacking to the right recently.Mike Shaughnessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796480031110991460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440117683736860632.post-65044217382155661972016-05-20T11:22:05.300-07:002016-05-20T11:22:05.300-07:00Good article about a good article, exactly the kin...Good article about a good article, exactly the kind of discussions worth having at this time of change. A green momentum has potential and I hope a wider debate will be had on this. I though this section of the author's letter was thought provoking (note also that Podemos have also just formed a left alliance) " And finally my Green friends, can you change your party? You are wonderfully democratic but you have a clunky and old feel to you. Experiment and modernise. Use new technology to make policy decisions, adopt the kind of Circles that Podemos use, try out more fluid ideas. Let members join other parties like the WEP do. This is a world of Facebook where people hold multiple identities all at once. Take a big look at the Alternativet party in Denmark and see how they link sustainability to innovation and enterprise – and make it all look cool. It’s called the future. Grasp it and use your party to prefigure the world we need to create."Martin O'Beirnehttp://martinobeirne.co.uknoreply@blogger.com